WE FAILED YOU, KIRK TALLEY!

[Character Still Counts]

It has always amazed me throughout the years how we, as Christians,
place such unrealistic expectations and standards on those who serve
us in ministry (whether it be a pastor, teacher, or singer).

... Today was no exception ... It truly grieved my spirit to read many
of the mean spirited messages recently posted about Christian artist
Kirk Talley on this Message Board.

It never ceases to amaze me how so many of us are so quick to jump on
board in questioning a leader's ethics, moral failures, or actions.
We cry aloud that these types of people should be ashamed for letting
us down, and yet we soon forget all the good they have done in the
past.

Think about it ... How many of you have ever considered the true
beauty and anointing of some of the songs written and recorded by Kirk
Talley??? How blessed we have been to have him in our Christian
circles to provide us with songs like "Serenaded by Angels", "He is
Here," and "He Hung the Moon." The numbers of persons that have been
comforted in times of bereavement, personal hurts, etc. with songs
like these are countless. We will never know the full-impact that
some of these songs have had on the lives that Kirk Talley has
touched.

If he never sang or wrote another song ... if he never stepped onto a
stage again to proclaim the wonder of Christ ... if he never gave
another invitation for those in his audience to accept the Lord ...
surely we can still say that many have been blessed by his ministry.

I don't know the details about Kirk Talley and these allegations, but
what I do know is this: Leaders are human. They rise, and they fall.
Nonetheless, they lead us to greater things. Truly Kirk Talley has
led me and many others to greater things in the Lord.

Though I've never met him personally, my life has still been touched
by his ministry.

I think it's time that we now stand with him, and say FORGIVE US,
KIRK. For W-E have failed Y-O-U !!! You have blessed us and
ministered to our broken spirits for 30 years ... and now it's your
turn for us to pour the oil and wine inside of you.

THANK YOU, Kirk, for allowing God to use you in the past. We know the
Lord is not through with you yet. Forgive us for our hurtful words
and our ignorance in neglect to show you our appreciation for the good
you've done for the Kingdom of God.

Truly we have been offered and shown God's grace and His deep love for
us by the songs you've sung to us over the years ... Let us sing to
you now.

[Just Allan]

Post by Character Still Counts
It has always amazed me throughout the years how we, as Christians,
place such unrealistic expectations and standards on those who serve
us in ministry (whether it be a pastor, teacher, or singer).

What I've been reading, is people placing the same realistic Biblical
standards as they do on ***themselves***.

Post by Character Still Counts
... Today was no exception ... It truly grieved my spirit to read many
of the mean spirited messages recently posted about Christian artist
Kirk Talley on this Message Board.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - perhaps there were a few
that seemed this way, but there were NOT *many* mean-spirited
messages. If you count them as mean-spirited, then you'll also have
to number Jesus as mean-spirited. He said the same thing - "Go and
sin no more." He spoke more about hell than He did about Heaven for a
reason.

Post by Character Still Counts
It never ceases to amaze me how so many of us are so quick to jump on
board in questioning a leader's ethics, moral failures, or actions.
We cry aloud that these types of people should be ashamed for letting
us down, and yet we soon forget all the good they have done in the
past.

IF it's true, it's not a one-time simple moral failure, like a lustful
thought when a beautiful woman walks by - it's deliberately skulking
around chat rooms, looking to feed homosexual lust and hunt for men to
have sex with men - for YEARS. (The same behaviour practiced by
modern-day pedophiles, in case this escaped some people.)

Post by Character Still Counts
Think about it ...

You think about it... Would you be so patient & accomodating, if it
was *your* teenage son, someone was propositioning in a chat room -
and sending nude photos of himself, while also claiming to be a
*Christian*? I doubt it somehow. (And if anyone's answer is
otherwise, please put your children up for adoption - they'll be
better off.)

Post by Character Still Counts
How many of you have ever considered the true
beauty and anointing of some of the songs written and recorded by Kirk
Talley???

I don't like his music, but what on earth has this got to do with it?
David was the King of all Israel and described as a man after God's
own heart and wrote many psalms! He still misused his position of
trust, fed his lust by leading a woman into adultery and then murdered
her young husband in some sick attempt to hide his adultery and remove
his own guilt. The prophet then came and confronted David about his
sin - an act of God's mercy & love THROUGH judgement.

Hm... "Misused his position of authority & trust." Nothing much has
changed, has it.

Post by Character Still Counts
Though I've never met him personally, my life has still been touched
by his ministry.
I think it's time that we now stand with him, and say FORGIVE US,
KIRK. For W-E have failed Y-O-U !!! You have blessed us and
ministered to our broken spirits for 30 years ... and now it's your
turn for us to pour the oil and wine inside of you.

IF it's as it seems - then yes - some HAVE failed him. The people
that have failed him, are those that keep coming here, spreading their
watered-down gospel trying to drown out the still small voice of the
HOLY Spirit, that would have been lovingly nudging a homosexual with
conviction for years. The Bible is clear - without repentance (change
of heart and turning away), a homosexual will join the demons in the
LAKE OF FIRE.

Even those who have been "abrasive" with their words would not have
"failed" a homosexual, if it brought repentance and closed their
separation from God. The ones that keep saying otherwise are real
enemies of his soul and are in league with the father of lies.

Post by Character Still Counts
THANK YOU, Kirk, for allowing God to use you in the past.

IF it's the way it seems, people don't "allow" God to use them - God
uses such people IN SPITE OF their sin. If God still uses such people
it's a display of His love and mercy to OTHERS - and His ongoing mercy
by convicting the person being used.

Post by Character Still Counts
We know the
Lord is not through with you yet.

Let's pray not.

Post by Character Still Counts
Forgive us for our hurtful words
and our ignorance in neglect to show you our appreciation for the good
you've done for the Kingdom of God.

Honest words are only hurtfull if a person is deluding themselves
about their error. In such cases, they *need* to hear the truth.
Cowards hide it from them. In reference to those who perhaps have
known for years and done nothing - it should be, "forgive us for not
taking a stand earlier and sparing you years of soul-destroying guilt
from which you may never recover."

Post by Character Still Counts
Truly we have been offered and shown God's grace and His deep love for
us by the songs you've sung to us over the years ... Let us sing to
you now.

He doesn't need a pat on the back for past rights, as they won't get
him into Heaven. What he needs is a hard slap in the face to wake up
to reality. After repentance, that's the time for comfort and TOTAL
forgiveness by others.

I sincerely pray that all homosexuals would turn from their life of
spiritual misery and self-deception. I've seen several turn from
their disgusting lust, later take a wife and raise children. The joy
it brings into their life and everyone around them... to turn from an
utter abomination, embrace God's forgiveness and then follow His
original plan is nothing sort of faith-inspiring. It's a TRUE
blessing - not the feeble counterfiet promoted by weak-kneed,
unlearned christians that must be covered up or glossed over by
misapplying God's grace, to make everyone feel comfortable.

Go and sin no more!

Allan.

[BigUn]

"We" failed who? You talking to the hand now cause the face don't want to
hear it. First off, being a faggot was Talley's CHOICE. He's no victim.
Second, if anybody did fail Kirk it'd be the industry people that have
surrounded him for YEARS without confronting him over his choice to be a
queer. You ain't talking to me bro. Just forget it. I've taken heat for
years attempting to confront this issue.

Post by Just Allan

Post by Character Still Counts
It has always amazed me throughout the years how we, as Christians,
place such unrealistic expectations and standards on those who serve
us in ministry (whether it be a pastor, teacher, or singer).

What I've been reading, is people placing the same realistic Biblical
standards as they do on ***themselves***.

Post by Character Still Counts
... Today was no exception ... It truly grieved my spirit to read many
of the mean spirited messages recently posted about Christian artist
Kirk Talley on this Message Board.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - perhaps there were a few
that seemed this way, but there were NOT *many* mean-spirited
messages. If you count them as mean-spirited, then you'll also have
to number Jesus as mean-spirited. He said the same thing - "Go and
sin no more." He spoke more about hell than He did about Heaven for a
reason.

Post by Character Still Counts
It never ceases to amaze me how so many of us are so quick to jump on
board in questioning a leader's ethics, moral failures, or actions.
We cry aloud that these types of people should be ashamed for letting
us down, and yet we soon forget all the good they have done in the
past.

IF it's true, it's not a one-time simple moral failure, like a lustful
thought when a beautiful woman walks by - it's deliberately skulking
around chat rooms, looking to feed homosexual lust and hunt for men to
have sex with men - for YEARS. (The same behaviour practiced by
modern-day pedophiles, in case this escaped some people.)

Post by Character Still Counts
Think about it ...

You think about it... Would you be so patient & accomodating, if it
was *your* teenage son, someone was propositioning in a chat room -
and sending nude photos of himself, while also claiming to be a
*Christian*? I doubt it somehow. (And if anyone's answer is
otherwise, please put your children up for adoption - they'll be
better off.)

Post by Character Still Counts
How many of you have ever considered the true
beauty and anointing of some of the songs written and recorded by Kirk
Talley???

I don't like his music, but what on earth has this got to do with it?
David was the King of all Israel and described as a man after God's
own heart and wrote many psalms! He still misused his position of
trust, fed his lust by leading a woman into adultery and then murdered
her young husband in some sick attempt to hide his adultery and remove
his own guilt. The prophet then came and confronted David about his
sin - an act of God's mercy & love THROUGH judgement.
Hm... "Misused his position of authority & trust." Nothing much has
changed, has it.

Post by Character Still Counts
Though I've never met him personally, my life has still been touched
by his ministry.
I think it's time that we now stand with him, and say FORGIVE US,
KIRK. For W-E have failed Y-O-U !!! You have blessed us and
ministered to our broken spirits for 30 years ... and now it's your
turn for us to pour the oil and wine inside of you.

IF it's as it seems - then yes - some HAVE failed him. The people
that have failed him, are those that keep coming here, spreading their
watered-down gospel trying to drown out the still small voice of the
HOLY Spirit, that would have been lovingly nudging a homosexual with
conviction for years. The Bible is clear - without repentance (change
of heart and turning away), a homosexual will join the demons in the
LAKE OF FIRE.
Even those who have been "abrasive" with their words would not have
"failed" a homosexual, if it brought repentance and closed their
separation from God. The ones that keep saying otherwise are real
enemies of his soul and are in league with the father of lies.

Post by Character Still Counts
THANK YOU, Kirk, for allowing God to use you in the past.

IF it's the way it seems, people don't "allow" God to use them - God
uses such people IN SPITE OF their sin. If God still uses such people
it's a display of His love and mercy to OTHERS - and His ongoing mercy
by convicting the person being used.

Post by Character Still Counts
We know the
Lord is not through with you yet.

Let's pray not.

Post by Character Still Counts
Forgive us for our hurtful words
and our ignorance in neglect to show you our appreciation for the good
you've done for the Kingdom of God.

Honest words are only hurtfull if a person is deluding themselves
about their error. In such cases, they *need* to hear the truth.
Cowards hide it from them. In reference to those who perhaps have
known for years and done nothing - it should be, "forgive us for not
taking a stand earlier and sparing you years of soul-destroying guilt
from which you may never recover."

Post by Character Still Counts
Truly we have been offered and shown God's grace and His deep love for
us by the songs you've sung to us over the years ... Let us sing to
you now.

He doesn't need a pat on the back for past rights, as they won't get
him into Heaven. What he needs is a hard slap in the face to wake up
to reality. After repentance, that's the time for comfort and TOTAL
forgiveness by others.
I sincerely pray that all homosexuals would turn from their life of
spiritual misery and self-deception. I've seen several turn from
their disgusting lust, later take a wife and raise children. The joy
it brings into their life and everyone around them... to turn from an
utter abomination, embrace God's forgiveness and then follow His
original plan is nothing sort of faith-inspiring. It's a TRUE
blessing - not the feeble counterfiet promoted by weak-kneed,
unlearned christians that must be covered up or glossed over by
misapplying God's grace, to make everyone feel comfortable.
Go and sin no more!
Allan.

[Just Allan]

Post by BigUn
"We" failed who? You talking to the hand now cause the face don't want to
hear it. First off, being a faggot was Talley's CHOICE. He's no victim.
Second, if anybody did fail Kirk it'd be the industry people that have
surrounded him for YEARS without confronting him over his choice to be a
queer. You ain't talking to me bro. Just forget it. I've taken heat for
years attempting to confront this issue.

Heh - I think you replied to the wrong message - technically...
: )

[OnYn1]

Ah, one that has total faith in reporters, and every word a reporter says, must
be the truth?

Ever hear of the outlandish things being reported in the National Enquireer?

Ever realize that some newspapers make a killing by reporting false story, sell
lots of newspapers, and then publish a recant of the story to keep clear of the
law?

Ever realize that even honest reporters get lied to a lot by persons that want
to do dirt to someone?

Give Kirk a fair trial, don't convict him just on the word of a reporter, and
or newspaper.

[BigUn]

Post by OnYn1
Ever realize that even honest reporters get lied to a lot by persons that

want to do dirt to someone?

Post by OnYn1
Give Kirk a fair trial, don't convict him just on the word of a reporter, and
or newspaper.

Yea, and don't let the fact that he's pulled out of everything, cancelled
all his concert dates, been a known/suspected homosexual for 20+ years,
there are multiple news sources on this, and his mgt company has dropped him
sway you either. Those are all just a big conspiracy by the evil-doers that
want to bring Kirk down.

ugh.

Hey bub, nobody's gonna put Kirk on trial. They just aren't going to buy his
products or his line of B.S. any more. Guess he's the like the Dixie Chicks
of gospel music now.

[Steve]

Post by BigUn
Yea, and don't let the fact that he's pulled out of everything, cancelled
all his concert dates, been a known/suspected homosexual for 20+ years,
there are multiple news sources on this, and his mgt company has dropped him
sway you either. Those are all just a big conspiracy by the evil-doers that
want to bring Kirk down.

In my opinion...if someone is part of something controversial I would think it
would only be natural for them to cancel engagements and such until things are
resolved.

Also, what are the "multiple news sources" that back up your claim of 20+ years
of something.

I think people need to get fact straight before they start casting
stones....Let he who is without sin cast the first one!

Steve

[Just Allan]

Post by Steve
I think people need to get fact straight before they start casting
stones....Let he who is without sin cast the first one!

Maybe I should set up an experiment... Stand a person against a hill
and have ten people shout names at them for 30 minutes. Then get
another ten people to throw large boulders at them for the same amount
of time, until every bone in their body is shattered and their body
collapses in upon itself like a deboned chicken, in so much pain that
they die from shock.

Then people might understand that a stoning has nothing to do with
calling people names. (This is truly a strange parallel that people
draw.)

Allan.

[Steve]

Post by Just Allan
Maybe I should set up an experiment... Stand a person against a hill
and have ten people shout names at them for 30 minutes. Then get
another ten people to throw large boulders at them for the same amount
of time, until every bone in their body is shattered and their body
collapses in upon itself like a deboned chicken, in so much pain that
they die from shock.
Then people might understand that a stoning has nothing to do with
calling people names. (This is truly a strange parallel that people
draw.)

I think that the tongue can be just as mighty of a weapon and as deadly as a
stoning can be. A simple word can cause pain just as much as stone.

[Just Allan]

Post by Steve

Post by Just Allan
Maybe I should set up an experiment... Stand a person against a hill
and have ten people shout names at them for 30 minutes. Then get
another ten people to throw large boulders at them for the same amount
of time, until every bone in their body is shattered and their body
collapses in upon itself like a deboned chicken, in so much pain that
they die from shock.
Then people might understand that a stoning has nothing to do with
calling people names. (This is truly a strange parallel that people
draw.)

I think that the tongue can be just as mighty of a weapon and as deadly as a
stoning can be. A simple word can cause pain just as much as stone.

Hm... Like I said, maybe we should set it up and find out. : |

[BigUn]

I didn't say there had been multiple new sources reporting that he's gay for
20 years. Try reading it again.

Concerning the current story about the alleged extortion, there have been
multiple news stories published. Each of them expose the reason for the
extortion as Kirk being gay.

The rumour that Kirk is gay has been around for 20+ years and is VERY common
knowledge in the pro circles. As I've said before, KT's current record
company president told me 18 years ago "I know for a FACT that Kirk Talley
is gay". That's a direct quote from the man, folks.

Post by Steve

Post by BigUn
Yea, and don't let the fact that he's pulled out of everything, cancelled
all his concert dates, been a known/suspected homosexual for 20+ years,
there are multiple news sources on this, and his mgt company has dropped him
sway you either. Those are all just a big conspiracy by the evil-doers that
want to bring Kirk down.

In my opinion...if someone is part of something controversial I would think it
would only be natural for them to cancel engagements and such until things are
resolved.
Also, what are the "multiple news sources" that back up your claim of 20+ years
of something.
I think people need to get fact straight before they start casting
stones....Let he who is without sin cast the first one!
Steve

[OnYn1]

Go and sin no more. Interesting thought.
Could it be those that believe every reporter needs to go and sin no more,
because they believed a evil rumor about someone?

Not all newspapers are honest.
Not all reporters are honest.
Not all persons that give honest reporters are honest.

Even honest reporters sometimes yeild to temptation, or come under the control
of Satan.

Just a few reasons we should not be so swift to believe this story. Also Kirk
should be allowed to reply to the charges, for they might not be correct at
all.

[DJman]

Post by OnYn1
Go and sin no more. Interesting thought.
Could it be those that believe every reporter needs to go and sin no more,
because they believed a evil rumor about someone?
Not all newspapers are honest.
Not all reporters are honest.
Not all persons that give honest reporters are honest.
Even honest reporters sometimes yeild to temptation, or come under the control
of Satan.
Just a few reasons we should not be so swift to believe this story. Also Kirk
should be allowed to reply to the charges, for they might not be correct at
all.

So...Uh, so the FBI lied about Kirk saying that he felt that the only
place he could meet men was on the internet? , or the reporter lied
about the FBI man saying Kirk told him that??? Hmmm, maybe the one
that has been doing the "lying" would be KT...

[TommyDale]

Post by OnYn1
Go and sin no more. Interesting thought.
Could it be those that believe every reporter needs to go and sin no more,
because they believed a evil rumor about someone?
Not all newspapers are honest.
Not all reporters are honest.
Not all persons that give honest reporters are honest.
Even honest reporters sometimes yeild to temptation, or come under the control
of Satan.
Just a few reasons we should not be so swift to believe this story. Also Kirk
should be allowed to reply to the charges, for they might not be correct at
all.

Perhaps Kirk himself could end all of the speculation and give a
statement. I really don't believe the line that he can't give a
statement because of an ongoing investigation. He is neither the
police, the judge, the jury nor the accused extortionist. I haven't
read of a gag order by the courts on this, nor from the District
Attorney in Knoxville.

[Steve]

Post by TommyDale
Perhaps Kirk himself could end all of the speculation and give a
statement. I really don't believe the line that he can't give a
statement because of an ongoing investigation. He is neither the
police, the judge, the jury nor the accused extortionist. I haven't
read of a gag order by the courts on this, nor from the District
Attorney in Knoxville.

Anytime an investigation is ongoing no comments can or should be made be
anyone. The investigation could be jeopardized in the process. He is doing
the right thing by remaining silent until told to do otherwise.

Steve

[Chris A. Perdue]

Steve,
I couldn't agree more. The way I see it is... Kirk is facing a BIG Trial
(Spiritually, not judicially). However, there must be something happening,
that is working out to Kirk's favor because as the law would state,
"Anything you say, can and will be used against you in a court of law". For
Example: Kobe Bryant is trying to get over all of his allogations, and I
think Kirk is handling this like Kobe. Seeking family for support, and
keeping his mouth shut. How much does Kobe talk about his allogations?
Never to the media. I expect the same from Kirk. Would you tell the Media
anything. I am a former broadcast journalist, and I can take a five minute
interview and once I get in the studio with a tape of the interview, I can
make you say whatever I want to make you say. So the best thing to do is
keep your mouth shut. Remember... we all are sinners in the hands of a
loving God who wants to forgive us. If Kirk comes forward and asks fans of
Southern Gospel Music to forgive him, because he has asked God to forgive
him. We are commanded to forgive and not hold a grudge against our brother
in Christ. How would you react in this situation? I think Kirk is doing
the right thing. Putting the ministry on hold until this is taken care of.
Back to the illustration with Kobe Bryant... SIN IS SIN!! No Greater and No
different than a "little-white" lie.

Chris P.

http://obc.spreadtheword.com - OBC's Bookstore!

Post by Steve

Post by TommyDale
Perhaps Kirk himself could end all of the speculation and give a
statement. I really don't believe the line that he can't give a
statement because of an ongoing investigation. He is neither the
police, the judge, the jury nor the accused extortionist. I haven't
read of a gag order by the courts on this, nor from the District
Attorney in Knoxville.

Anytime an investigation is ongoing no comments can or should be made be
anyone. The investigation could be jeopardized in the process. He is doing
the right thing by remaining silent until told to do otherwise.
Steve

[BigUn]

Post by Steve
Anytime an investigation is ongoing no comments can or should be made be
anyone. The investigation could be jeopardized in the process. He is doing
the right thing by remaining silent until told to do otherwise.
Steve

Nobody here is interested in getting a statement from KT about the alleged
extortion. A statement of "I am or am not gay" would not interfere with the
investigation. I'm telling you Chris and Kirk are thinking this thru to see
if there's any possible way to spin it to keep the boy selling records.

It's the money, folks.

[Dan and Beckey Gillett]

Amen!!!!!!!! Couldn't have said it any better myself.

[papa don]

I like you feel that we ALL yes ALL of us are so very quick to comdem
those that fall and fail .....Wasn't it David,the man after Gods own
heart ,who failed in almost every area of his walk toward God? I think
the only sin that he wasn't accused of was being overweight......been
to a gospel concert lately and tried to squeeze into one of those
18inch seats,Its been my luck lately to find myself next to Bubba and
Bubbett who both reek of Lucky Striked and KFC yet raise holy hands
and shout PTL so as to annoy most of those arround them, These are the
same ones now trying to stomp kick and add their two rightious cents
worth in the slaughter of one of Gods lambs........
Yes Kirk has failed Kirk has fallen Kirk has sinned......and I am sure
that he alone knows what price he will have to pay.....but you that
are trying to be the collector of that price need to remember that
Kirk knows of his sin and most that are trying to bury him do not
realize that God is just as heartbroken by your actions as he is by
Kirks........
Let us all examine our hearts and try to be Christ like in our
actions......
As God forgave David, the woman at the well, and so very many others
that has fallen let us to forgive Kirk and admonish him to sin no
more..
I pray that Kirk will seek His face turn from his sin repent and once
again be cleansed that God can use him..........unfortunately I feel
that WE will send God the message that we don't agree with His
forgiving and restoring a fallen child of the king and once again show
that we are not as pure as we THINK we are......Kirk your lifestyle as
accused is not welcome in my home but you my brother if repentence is
sought by you are most welcome ........
Don

[Just Allan]

Post by papa don
18inch seats,Its been my luck lately to find myself next to Bubba and
Bubbett who both reek of Lucky Striked and KFC yet raise holy hands
and shout PTL so as to annoy most of those arround them, These are the
same ones now trying to stomp kick and add their two rightious cents
worth in the slaughter of one of Gods lambs........
Kirk knows of his sin and most that are trying to bury him do not
realize that God is just as heartbroken by your actions as he is by
Kirks........

As He is about yours, towards those people at that concert. Which you
also seem to not see. : )

Post by papa don
I pray that Kirk will seek His face turn from his sin repent and once
again be cleansed that God can use him..........unfortunately I feel
that WE will send God the message that we don't agree with His
forgiving and restoring a fallen child of the king and once again show
that we are not as pure as we THINK we are......Kirk your lifestyle as
accused is not welcome in my home but you my brother if repentence is
sought by you are most welcome ........
Don

I haven't read anyone that has said this. Everyone (except the
decieved who think homosexuality is ok) has expressed they'd rejoice
over a repentance and restitution.

Allan.